From: "Michael E. Mann" To: Keith Briffa Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:45:10 -0500 Cc: Phil Jones , Tim Osborn , Caspar Ammann , "Wahl, Eugene R" , Scott Rutherford Thanks Keith, I've made these changes and a few very minor changes just to improve the grammar in places, etc. Also, I'm embarassed to say that Scott's name was accidentally left out of the author list, so I've included that back in. There was one bit about the high-pass filtering and low-pass filtering which you changed, based on I think some minor confusion about what I meant. I've fixed that. I'm assuming that Tim will be ok w/ the attached, final version, so I'm going to go ahead and submit to Nature now. We'll have ample opportunity for revision at a later stage. Lets cross our fingers. Thanks again everyone, Mike At 11:01 AM 2/24/2005, Keith Briffa wrote: Sorry Mike - still dashing - but attached shows some slight wording changes - only early and late - missed Track changes so just compare - sorry to mess up - otherwise go with this for now and lets see reaction Keith t 00:40 22/02/2005, you wrote: Dear Phil et al, All of the suggested changes have been made, and some others additional changes have been made for clarification, including descriptions of updated versions of the figures (Scott: can you get to me pdf versions of figures 1 and 3 that have the correct "degrees" symbol on the y axis? Also--we need an updated url for the pseudoproxy data at fox.rwu.edu as noted! thanks in advance for getting back to me ASAP on these) Changes indicated in yellow highlighting. Will try to prepare a final draft for submission once I've heard back from Keith, Tim, and anyone else who has any remaining comments. I've also attached a draft cover letter to go to Nature along w/ the submission. Thanks, Mike At 09:14 AM 2/21/2005, Phil Jones wrote: Mike, Here's a few modifications to the text. Keith and Tim are pretty happy with it as well, but the'll reply as soon as they have some time. Off again tomorrow to Chicago. Back in next week. Happy for you to submit this as soon as you have their and other comments. Cheers Phil At 22:44 12/02/2005, Michael E. Mann wrote: sorry. text revised yet again. no more changes until I receive comments from everyone. thanks... mike At 12:03 PM 2/11/2005, Phil Jones wrote: Mike, Keith and Tim are here next week, but very busy with a proposal to the EU. So you may have to hassle them a bit, or hang on for a week or two. Nature dragged in the IPCC angle which annoyed me. I tried to explain to him how IPCC works. IPCC won't be discussing this in Beijing in May - except as part of Chapter 6. Hans von Storch will likely regret some of the words he's said. FYI, just as NCAR have put up a web site to give the whole story re Chris Landseas's 'resignation' from a CA in the atmos. obs. chapter (to help Kevin Trenberth out), KNMI are doing the same re Rob van Dorland and that Dutch magazine. The chief scientist at KNMI has got involved as Rob didn't say the things attributed to him. I'll find out more on this in Pune as a guy from KNMI will be there. Several other CAs on our chapter pulled out, or just didn't do anything. Their stories never got run. Dick's report was good and my bit in Nature cam across well. Say hi to all there and wish Steve well. Cheers Phil At 16:19 11/02/2005, Michael E. Mann wrote: Phil--thanks, that's great. Really happy to hear that everyone is on board with this. I'm at a symposium honoring Steve Schneider out at stanford right now. Lots of folks here--as I talk this over w/ them, and see Dick Kerr's coverage of this, etc. I realize its not so bad--I was afraid this would be spun as bolstering the contrarians, but it hasn't. In large part due to quotes from you and others pointing out that the study actually reinforces the key conclusions, etc., and the fact Dick Kerr showed Keith and Tim's plot showing the scattering of multiple reconstructions, etc. which takes the focus off "Mann" a bit... Nonetheless, I *am* convinced their methodology is suspect, as the analysis I sent shows. So I will really appreciate input from Keith, Tim, and you to make sure the language and wording are appropriate and fair... I will revise as I get input from various people, with an aim to having this submission-ready in about 10 days (so you can have one final look after you return, and before you have to head out again). looking forward to getting people's comments, feedback, etc. thanks again, mike At 08:05 AM 2/11/2005, Phil Jones wrote: Mike et al, I've talked to Keith and Tim here and it seems best if we all come in with you on this response. What you have done is basically fine. We can discuss specific wording later. My problem is that I'm off tomorrow to Pune till Feb 20 and email may be sporadic or non-existent. So can you discuss revised drafts with Keith and Tim, but keep me on - lower down as I'm away. I'm here on Feb 21 then off to Chicago to review the vertical temperature report for the NRC/NAS Feb 22-25. Keep me on the emails in case email works well in Pune. Cheers Phil At 23:35 10/02/2005, Michael E. Mann wrote: Dear Caspar, Gene, Scott, Phil, I am attaching a response I've drafted to the Moberg et al paper (attached for those of you who haven't seen it). The message is pretty clear and simple--their method overemphasizes the low-frequency variability. To demonstrate this, I've made use of stuff from Mann and Jones, and from the Mann/Rutherford/Wahl/Ammann J. Climate letter on Pseudoproxies. So I would welcome any of you to be co-authors on this--just let me now if you're interested. I've been in touch w/ Keith (he and Tim are potentially working on their own independent response--waiting to hear further). This is a very rough draft, so comments much appreciated. Looking forward to hearing back, Mike ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [1]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [2]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [3]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [4]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml -- Professor Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit University of East Anglia Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. Phone: +44-1603-593909 Fax: +44-1603-507784 [5]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [6]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\MobergComment-final.doc" References 1. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml 2. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml 3. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml 4. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml 5. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ 6. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml